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		<title>By: Maharrori</title>
		<link>http://nerdlife.net/php-is-a-great-first-language-for-a-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator>Maharrori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG!

3 days ago I received a call from (972) 2840600 &amp; 9722840600 and was pretty sure the caller was a scammer.

Guess it was a bad case of the &quot;Mondays&quot; - cause I went nuts - and called the company (Gulf Coast Western) and went nuts.

Check this out... Gulf Coast Western -- the oil drilling company- called who I interviewed with last month - we&#039;re calling to tell me I got the job!

Any advice how to get unfired!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG!</p>
<p>3 days ago I received a call from (972) 2840600 &amp; 9722840600 and was pretty sure the caller was a scammer.</p>
<p>Guess it was a bad case of the &#8220;Mondays&#8221; &#8211; cause I went nuts &#8211; and called the company (Gulf Coast Western) and went nuts.</p>
<p>Check this out&#8230; Gulf Coast Western &#8212; the oil drilling company- called who I interviewed with last month &#8211; we&#8217;re calling to tell me I got the job!</p>
<p>Any advice how to get unfired!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dabert</title>
		<link>http://nerdlife.net/php-is-a-great-first-language-for-a-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-1168</link>
		<dc:creator>Dabert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont usually comment, but after reading through so much info i had to say thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont usually comment, but after reading through so much info i had to say thanks</p>
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		<title>By: very low profile...</title>
		<link>http://nerdlife.net/php-is-a-great-first-language-for-a-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>very low profile...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well (apart from what I read on this blog)... actually a real hacker doesn&#039;t &quot;make&quot; attacks (even knowing perfectly how to face them if they are against him).

That is a usually called a &quot;cracker&quot;.

About hacking... well I would just say this:

Enjoy &quot;learning&quot;... when you do it with passion.. that means you&#039;re &quot;hacking&quot;

Bye,
Max</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well (apart from what I read on this blog)&#8230; actually a real hacker doesn&#8217;t &#8220;make&#8221; attacks (even knowing perfectly how to face them if they are against him).</p>
<p>That is a usually called a &#8220;cracker&#8221;.</p>
<p>About hacking&#8230; well I would just say this:</p>
<p>Enjoy &#8220;learning&#8221;&#8230; when you do it with passion.. that means you&#8217;re &#8220;hacking&#8221;</p>
<p>Bye,<br />
Max</p>
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		<title>By: low profile</title>
		<link>http://nerdlife.net/php-is-a-great-first-language-for-a-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-985</link>
		<dc:creator>low profile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am a hacker&quot;. (Brian, 2008)

Are you really sure the true meaning of &quot;hacker&quot; ?
Real hackers never claim they are, instead people called them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am a hacker&#8221;. (Brian, 2008)</p>
<p>Are you really sure the true meaning of &#8220;hacker&#8221; ?<br />
Real hackers never claim they are, instead people called them.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://nerdlife.net/php-is-a-great-first-language-for-a-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now everyone is talking about the American economy and eclections, nice to read something different. Eugene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now everyone is talking about the American economy and eclections, nice to read something different. Eugene</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://nerdlife.net/php-is-a-great-first-language-for-a-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless I&#039;m mistaken (which I probably am, I haven&#039;t done too much Python), Python has with chmod, which many newbies don&#039;t know much about because they&#039;re probably coding and uploading over FTP (since the cheap plans don&#039;t give SSH).  They also have to know if the python binary is in /usr/bin or /bin or /usr/local/bin, without being able to run `which python`.  Then there&#039;s the cgi-bin, which I imagine some hosts still require.

As for the &quot;look what I did&quot; part, that&#039;s probably from my mostly-wrong impression that python is more of a command line tool, which I admit isn&#039;t really as true anymore.  I was alluding to the ease of setting up a PHP website as opposed to in another language, which is redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I&#8217;m mistaken (which I probably am, I haven&#8217;t done too much Python), Python has with chmod, which many newbies don&#8217;t know much about because they&#8217;re probably coding and uploading over FTP (since the cheap plans don&#8217;t give SSH).  They also have to know if the python binary is in /usr/bin or /bin or /usr/local/bin, without being able to run `which python`.  Then there&#8217;s the cgi-bin, which I imagine some hosts still require.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;look what I did&#8221; part, that&#8217;s probably from my mostly-wrong impression that python is more of a command line tool, which I admit isn&#8217;t really as true anymore.  I was alluding to the ease of setting up a PHP website as opposed to in another language, which is redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: Eevee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eevee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem, of course, is that so many people don&#039;t EVER bother to learn that pesky &quot;good code&quot; thing.  And that PHP actively resists being written in any way that resembles &quot;good&quot;.  Hacking is one thing, but the fumbling around blindly in the dark that a complete beginner does is not quite it, and it&#039;s hardly conducive to becoming a good programmer unless the person in question has impressive amounts of interest and self-discipline.

Learning to hack is fine, but there are other languages just as good at hacking with just as many resources but that aren&#039;t terrible in every other way.  I don&#039;t see how Python lacks a &quot;look what I did&quot; mentality, unless that mentality only comes from copy-pasting really bad code that some other beginner put on his blog.  Pretty sure Python has enough resources to go around, too, given that it predates PHP by four years, and it hardly &quot;forces&quot; style on you unless you find it mighty inconvenient to press Tab.

You can find cheap Web hosts that will run your Perl or Ruby or Python or whatever; you just have to spend more than thirty seconds looking.  Off the top of my head, nearlyfreespeech has some dozen languages supported and Dreamhost will let you do pretty much whatever you want that doesn&#039;t take their machines down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem, of course, is that so many people don&#8217;t EVER bother to learn that pesky &#8220;good code&#8221; thing.  And that PHP actively resists being written in any way that resembles &#8220;good&#8221;.  Hacking is one thing, but the fumbling around blindly in the dark that a complete beginner does is not quite it, and it&#8217;s hardly conducive to becoming a good programmer unless the person in question has impressive amounts of interest and self-discipline.</p>
<p>Learning to hack is fine, but there are other languages just as good at hacking with just as many resources but that aren&#8217;t terrible in every other way.  I don&#8217;t see how Python lacks a &#8220;look what I did&#8221; mentality, unless that mentality only comes from copy-pasting really bad code that some other beginner put on his blog.  Pretty sure Python has enough resources to go around, too, given that it predates PHP by four years, and it hardly &#8220;forces&#8221; style on you unless you find it mighty inconvenient to press Tab.</p>
<p>You can find cheap Web hosts that will run your Perl or Ruby or Python or whatever; you just have to spend more than thirty seconds looking.  Off the top of my head, nearlyfreespeech has some dozen languages supported and Dreamhost will let you do pretty much whatever you want that doesn&#8217;t take their machines down.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kaiser</title>
		<link>http://nerdlife.net/php-is-a-great-first-language-for-a-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Python forces style on you even in situations where all you need is a simple, quick and dirty hack that you know you&#039;ll throw away within a few minutes, hours or at least tomorrow. And Python forces a particular style on you even if you might fell better with a different style (that is still clean though).

And that&#039;s one of the reasons I fully agree that PHP is a good even first language for a hacker: You can do things fast, even with embedding it into otherwise pure HTML page, you can do dirty hacks, even on the commandline if needed. And you also can evolve working with it to doing clean, throught-through, nicely styled, object-orientated, do-everything code.

PHP is good for the whole way from the small, quick and dirty hack up to full-fledged, cleanly coded (web) applications. Only when you come to the limits of interpreted code (memory- and performance-wise), you can get forced to switch to something else (given you&#039;re in web development, partially also in the commandline environment).

The key is not to force style on you but to let it grow wisely and naturally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Python forces style on you even in situations where all you need is a simple, quick and dirty hack that you know you&#8217;ll throw away within a few minutes, hours or at least tomorrow. And Python forces a particular style on you even if you might fell better with a different style (that is still clean though).</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s one of the reasons I fully agree that PHP is a good even first language for a hacker: You can do things fast, even with embedding it into otherwise pure HTML page, you can do dirty hacks, even on the commandline if needed. And you also can evolve working with it to doing clean, throught-through, nicely styled, object-orientated, do-everything code.</p>
<p>PHP is good for the whole way from the small, quick and dirty hack up to full-fledged, cleanly coded (web) applications. Only when you come to the limits of interpreted code (memory- and performance-wise), you can get forced to switch to something else (given you&#8217;re in web development, partially also in the commandline environment).</p>
<p>The key is not to force style on you but to let it grow wisely and naturally.</p>
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		<title>By: Skolor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skolor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I can go out and grab some free php hosting, or drop $1 or two at Nearlyfreespeech to get SQL with it, and have a whole range of things running quickly, that anyone can make use of. 

The portability of PHP also makes it great, python can run on most desktops fairly easily, but it won&#039;t run on most forms of cheap web hosting. If I throw together, say, a piece of polling software in PHP, put it up on my $3 a month web hosting, and show all my friends, they&#039;ll be able to say &quot;Hey, I like that, let me get a copy to put on my equally cheap hosting.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I can go out and grab some free php hosting, or drop $1 or two at Nearlyfreespeech to get SQL with it, and have a whole range of things running quickly, that anyone can make use of. </p>
<p>The portability of PHP also makes it great, python can run on most desktops fairly easily, but it won&#8217;t run on most forms of cheap web hosting. If I throw together, say, a piece of polling software in PHP, put it up on my $3 a month web hosting, and show all my friends, they&#8217;ll be able to say &#8220;Hey, I like that, let me get a copy to put on my equally cheap hosting.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but Python lacks that &quot;show your friends what you did&quot; mentality that PHP has.  Sure you can run Python scripts for the web, but it&#039;s not as trivial as PHP given the huge support and volume of resources available for PHP on the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but Python lacks that &#8220;show your friends what you did&#8221; mentality that PHP has.  Sure you can run Python scripts for the web, but it&#8217;s not as trivial as PHP given the huge support and volume of resources available for PHP on the web.</p>
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